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#1 Mercia2

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 03:17 PM

Jeppo, if one day you repent and ask for the Holy Spirit, God Willing, you will not be a guesser anymore.

I do understand the position I am in is going to make me look arrogant to a relatavist like you in my absolutism in this regard, their is nothing I can do about that unless you want me to pretend that I am still guessing like you? Alot of the time I have to pretend to accomodate people like you. It is a catch 22.
"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” = "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" = "Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who maketh His angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire" Psalms (104:1) = "They saw what seemed to be flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them." Acts 2 - the secret is over, your ministering angel you need to be saved is the Holy Spirit.

Who Is the Holy Spirit?
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/20950-holy-spirit-mercia/

Mark Of The Beast - his Name is the charachter/image of the medievil popes (now modern man)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/4997-mark-of-the-beast/page__pid__439951__st__120#entry439951

Historicists - Dual Fulfillment (seven thunders = more literal warning)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/14248-historicists-revelation-has-a-dual-fulfillment/

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:23 PM

Jeppo, if one day you repent and ask for the Holy Spirit, God Willing, you will not be a guesser anymore.


In my experience, the main problem with people who claim to have the Holy Spirit is that they are totally indistinguishable from people who don't.
'Abba Antony said, "A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him saying, 'You are mad, you are not like us.'"'

Ward, Benedicta. The Sayings of the Desert Fathers (2006), Antony 25, p. 5.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:28 PM

In my experience, the main problem with people who claim to have the Holy Spirit is that they are totally indistinguishable from people who don't.

Then that must mean the Holy Spirit/angels are not present anymore and prayers are not answered. Could their be another reason?
"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” = "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" = "Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who maketh His angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire" Psalms (104:1) = "They saw what seemed to be flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them." Acts 2 - the secret is over, your ministering angel you need to be saved is the Holy Spirit.

Who Is the Holy Spirit?
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/20950-holy-spirit-mercia/

Mark Of The Beast - his Name is the charachter/image of the medievil popes (now modern man)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/4997-mark-of-the-beast/page__pid__439951__st__120#entry439951

Historicists - Dual Fulfillment (seven thunders = more literal warning)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/14248-historicists-revelation-has-a-dual-fulfillment/

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:45 PM

In my experience, the main problem with people who claim to have the Holy Spirit is that they are totally indistinguishable from people who don't.

Then that must mean the Holy Spirit/angels are not present anymore and prayers are not answered.


No, that's a non sequitur.

Could their be another reason?


Yes: people believe they have the Holy Spirit, but they don't.
'Abba Antony said, "A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him saying, 'You are mad, you are not like us.'"'

Ward, Benedicta. The Sayings of the Desert Fathers (2006), Antony 25, p. 5.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:51 PM

Then that must mean the Holy Spirit/angels are not present anymore and prayers are not answered.

No, that's a non sequitur.


If that is a non sequiter, then this cannot be exclusively true...

Yes: people believe they have the Holy Spirit, but they don't.


"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” = "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" = "Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who maketh His angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire" Psalms (104:1) = "They saw what seemed to be flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them." Acts 2 - the secret is over, your ministering angel you need to be saved is the Holy Spirit.

Who Is the Holy Spirit?
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/20950-holy-spirit-mercia/

Mark Of The Beast - his Name is the charachter/image of the medievil popes (now modern man)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/4997-mark-of-the-beast/page__pid__439951__st__120#entry439951

Historicists - Dual Fulfillment (seven thunders = more literal warning)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/14248-historicists-revelation-has-a-dual-fulfillment/

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:01 PM

No, I think you're confused.
'Abba Antony said, "A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him saying, 'You are mad, you are not like us.'"'

Ward, Benedicta. The Sayings of the Desert Fathers (2006), Antony 25, p. 5.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:13 PM

If Christadelphian theology is correct and the Holy Spirit is Gods will and action in the world, as are the angels (because CD theology also shows the two concepts are interchangeable), therefore proving they are the same, then a belief that no Holy Spirit/ministering angel is available anymore is akin to a belief that God used to exist, but has withdrawn and that prayers are not answered anymore. (As they are only answered by the Holy Spirit/angels). There is no other revealed biblical way.

So if you believe God does still answer prayers (which include prayers for help with the Bible) then this statement you made cannot be exclusively true...

Yes: people believe they have the Holy Spirit, but they don't.


It can be generally true, (I believe it is generally true), but not exclusively true.
"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” = "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" = "Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who maketh His angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire" Psalms (104:1) = "They saw what seemed to be flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them." Acts 2 - the secret is over, your ministering angel you need to be saved is the Holy Spirit.

Who Is the Holy Spirit?
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/20950-holy-spirit-mercia/

Mark Of The Beast - his Name is the charachter/image of the medievil popes (now modern man)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/4997-mark-of-the-beast/page__pid__439951__st__120#entry439951

Historicists - Dual Fulfillment (seven thunders = more literal warning)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/14248-historicists-revelation-has-a-dual-fulfillment/

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:24 PM

Yes: people believe they have the Holy Spirit, but they don't.


Most important factor in determining if someone has the Holy Spirit or not is purely logical. How can God/your ministering angel teach you the Bible if you are already part of an organinsed group which already subscribe to inherited doctrine. God can only use non denoms at the moment, I believe (Rev 14:4). Also, as the whole point of the act is to surrender your free will so personal proof is given, it cannot be done in groups, we have to do the asking, alone.
"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” = "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" = "Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who maketh His angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire" Psalms (104:1) = "They saw what seemed to be flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them." Acts 2 - the secret is over, your ministering angel you need to be saved is the Holy Spirit.

Who Is the Holy Spirit?
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/20950-holy-spirit-mercia/

Mark Of The Beast - his Name is the charachter/image of the medievil popes (now modern man)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/4997-mark-of-the-beast/page__pid__439951__st__120#entry439951

Historicists - Dual Fulfillment (seven thunders = more literal warning)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/14248-historicists-revelation-has-a-dual-fulfillment/

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 06:23 AM

What is your criteria for breaking bread / fellowship then Mercia?
"But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." John 4.14

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:07 PM

What is your criteria for breaking bread / fellowship then Mercia?

Here is the problem Huldah. CD theology is ok (by ok I mean better than the rest but the rest are not ok), yet we have a huge logical problem here and it will be interesting to see if anyone can answer it (I bet they do not). This is it...

1. CD theology demonstrates angels/the Holy Spirit are interchangeable
2. Even if the Bible did not call angels the H/S we know they are the same because you dont need the Holy Spirit (and) your ministering angel to minister/teach you, one would be fine. Obviously they are the same.
3. The Bible tells us there are "ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands" angels and an "innumerable number" and "myriads and myriads". So my question to Christadelphians is WHERE ARE THEY?

This is the logic you will not be able to answer, not from the Bible anyway, as the Bible tells us this innumerable amount of angels/Holy Spirit are "all" ministering to those who are saved. Yet according to Christadelphians no one has the Holy Spirit. So again, according to CD theology where are these innumerable angels now that the Bible tells us are ministering to those who are saved? Floating around Pluto? Just hanging around Jupiter? Where?

What is your criteria for breaking bread / fellowship then Mercia?

Stop using reductionist language to imply that as witnessing gifts have ceased that means the Holy Spirit has ceased. Stop mocking the Holy Spirit and the idea of it, stop trying to interpret the Bible (textual criticism) by ignoring the fact the Bible also says their are millions of angels, as its half way to atheism, if not more than more half way! Just give people the right, if they choose, to alone in private ask for their ministering angel to help them, that is all. Stop trying to prove to God you can do it all yourself, because the reason God does not like that is it results in big egos. I do not think I have the Holy Spirit anymore, I know I did have, but like David I am a sinner and I believe the Holy Spirit does not stay in my presence for long these days, if at all, but I would still rather give glory to God/the Holy Spirit if I work out some matter of theology as opposed to claiming it came all from my own intellect, even if it did.

In my experience, the main problem with people who claim to have the Holy Spirit is that they are totally indistinguishable from people who don't.

Well apart from the fact I agree with that generally, but not exclusively as I said earlier, it is still missing the point, as only those with the H/S will understand each other, the whole point is to those without no discernible witnessing gifts are apparent. The Protestant Historicists had the Holy Spirit in interpreting Revelation 17 as the RCC, as "no interpretation of prophecy" is done without etc. I know that when I asked in pray how on earth Wormwood could possibly be Chernobyl when the prophecy has already been fulfilled I was immediately shown the seven thunders of Revelation 10 as the explanation for dual fulfillment of seven of the prophecies already written down, (Rev 10:4; Rev 10:11), I know I have been helped at times and I am not wrong. Like I say, their is no other biblical way in which prayers for guidance can be answered.

No one has the Holy Spirit like Jesus and the apostles but the negation of the Holy Spirit and no explanation for what those myriads of ministering angels are doing now is totally illogical and do you know what? If no Christadelphian can answer this then you have to admit you have a huge problem. I know you know it, but people love the guessing game, it is part of the fun, no? Just look at Jeppo and Ev on the other thread, Jeppo thinks the idea that I asked for the Holy Spirit in private and had personal proof so I do not have to join in his guessing game but can get on with studying the actual Bible, he thinks its deluded. He is throwing wild guesses about in the dark and getting them tragically wrong.
"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” = "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" = "Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who maketh His angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire" Psalms (104:1) = "They saw what seemed to be flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them." Acts 2 - the secret is over, your ministering angel you need to be saved is the Holy Spirit.

Who Is the Holy Spirit?
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/20950-holy-spirit-mercia/

Mark Of The Beast - his Name is the charachter/image of the medievil popes (now modern man)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/4997-mark-of-the-beast/page__pid__439951__st__120#entry439951

Historicists - Dual Fulfillment (seven thunders = more literal warning)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/14248-historicists-revelation-has-a-dual-fulfillment/

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:23 PM

Huldah, as much as I love you all, if I was in a Christadelphian hall and someone started trying that old reductionist technique that witnessing gifts ceasing = no more Holy Spirit I think I would either throw them out or throw myself out. So maybe non denom is best for me. I just do not think I could stand it, right from the start when my Christadelphian teacher started telling me Genesis 1 was literal and their was a talking walking snake I remember I very nearly stood up and shouted 'nonsense' and that was 1998, the reason I didnt was because most of the rest was brilliant, as is the case with CD theology (when it is explained well).

In my experience, the main problem with people who claim to have the Holy Spirit is that they are totally indistinguishable from people who don't.

It would massively speed things up Ev. How did it take you 10 years to get your head around the fact Genesis 1 was a parody in structure of paganism? Why are their still thousands of Christadelphians who have still not grasped this? Yes you can probably get 95% their on your own the slow way, but why when your ministering angel is ready to help the moment you invite Him in?

What is your criteria for breaking bread / fellowship then Mercia?

No ones perfect and breaking bread and fellowship is already what I do in a non physical way.

Edited by Mercia2, 29 April 2012 - 01:29 PM.

"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” = "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" = "Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who maketh His angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire" Psalms (104:1) = "They saw what seemed to be flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them." Acts 2 - the secret is over, your ministering angel you need to be saved is the Holy Spirit.

Who Is the Holy Spirit?
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/20950-holy-spirit-mercia/

Mark Of The Beast - his Name is the charachter/image of the medievil popes (now modern man)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/4997-mark-of-the-beast/page__pid__439951__st__120#entry439951

Historicists - Dual Fulfillment (seven thunders = more literal warning)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/14248-historicists-revelation-has-a-dual-fulfillment/

#12 Huldah

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:05 AM

OK Mercia. I was only asking you, Mercia, how you decide who you break bread with that is all.

I wasn't asking you to fix all the problems of Christadelphia!

Just, how do you decide who you break bread with, as in, you personally. Do those you fellowship with have to believe the same as you do (like [most] Christadelphians only break bread with [most] Christadelphians) or do you allow for them to be slightly different to you in beliefs as long as some essential beliefs are shared (and if so, what are those beliefs)).

If that's too emotive a question then no prob. I was just curious.
"But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." John 4.14

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 10:03 AM

slightly different to you in beliefs as long as some essential beliefs

slightly different, but I draw a line at
1. Mocking the reality of the Holy Spirit, as that is atheism (you can be right 99% of the time and wrong just once) and that is enough, especially when it is to 'big up' your own intellectual endevours and how clever you think you are.

2. Any claims that water baptism (or any ritual) is essential to salvation (I do not mind people doing wb just not claiming the act if magical and therefore essential of itself), beyond what the act symbollically portrays.

Most Christadelphians
1. Do not mock the Holy Spirit in any way whatsoever.
2. Do not think rituals are magical acts that save.

But in both cases, expecially point 1, enough do, yet as this thread demonstrates, cannot even back up their logic. I see R2D2 was about to post a reply and then gave up.
"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” = "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" = "Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who maketh His angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire" Psalms (104:1) = "They saw what seemed to be flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them." Acts 2 - the secret is over, your ministering angel you need to be saved is the Holy Spirit.

Who Is the Holy Spirit?
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/20950-holy-spirit-mercia/

Mark Of The Beast - his Name is the charachter/image of the medievil popes (now modern man)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/4997-mark-of-the-beast/page__pid__439951__st__120#entry439951

Historicists - Dual Fulfillment (seven thunders = more literal warning)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/14248-historicists-revelation-has-a-dual-fulfillment/

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:05 PM

Seems like the Holy Spirit decended in the NT using identical old testament symbolism for Gods angels...

"Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who maketh His angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire" Psalms (104:1)

"They saw what seemed to be flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them."
Acts 2.

Flaming fire, all ministers to teach, that is HS symbolism. duh
Another example of all organised religions missing what is totally obvious on atleast 2 levels.

They had a symbolic vision of OT symbolism explaining what the idea of the Holy Spirit is, the Holy Spirit is not literally flames of fire, it is symbolically flames of fire which the OT tells us are Gods angels and "ministers".

Previous thread on old board - http://www.thechrist...showtopic=15147

Say hello to the Holy Spirit for the first time ever....

"Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth on behalf of those who are going to inherit salvation?" (Hebrews 1).

"Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who maketh His angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire" Psalms (104:1)

Would you like to stand in the corner of your room for 20 years waiting for your friend to ask you to help him understand the Bible? While your other friends laughed at the idea?

This thread is a credulity test to see how much organised religion shuts down all mental critical facilities to reason when the obvious is presented before you.
Good luck with that.

Edited by Mercia2, 30 April 2012 - 01:24 PM.

"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” = "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" = "Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who maketh His angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire" Psalms (104:1) = "They saw what seemed to be flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them." Acts 2 - the secret is over, your ministering angel you need to be saved is the Holy Spirit.

Who Is the Holy Spirit?
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/20950-holy-spirit-mercia/

Mark Of The Beast - his Name is the charachter/image of the medievil popes (now modern man)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/4997-mark-of-the-beast/page__pid__439951__st__120#entry439951

Historicists - Dual Fulfillment (seven thunders = more literal warning)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/14248-historicists-revelation-has-a-dual-fulfillment/

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:58 PM

Would you like to stand in the corner of your room for 20 years waiting for your friend to ask you to help him understand the Bible? While your other friends laughed at the idea?

This thread is a credulity test to see how much organised religion shuts down all mental critical facilities to reason when the obvious is presented before you.
Good luck with that.

Sorry, but what do you mean?
"But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." John 4.14

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:27 PM

I think he means that he knows the truth about angels and the Holy Spirit, and could explain it to people so that they would be saved; in particular, one friend refused to listen to him for 20 years, while his other friends called him a nutter for claiming to have this special knowledge.

Meanwhile, he is offering for the people at BTDF to learn from him the truth concerning angels and the Holy Spirit, and so be saved. However, he doubts that anyone will listen, on account of being blinded to his message by their conviction that the teaching of their (Christadelphian) church is correct. For this reason, he believes that there's more hope of salvation for those who don't belong to any church.

Seems simple enough.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:29 AM

in particular, one friend refused to listen to him for 20 years, while his other friends called him a nutter for claiming to have this special knowledge.

No Len, that is not what I was saying. I was trying to make you feel empathy toward the fact your ministering angel has, figaritivly speaking, been standing in the corner of your room for 10-20 in some case 30 or more years just waiting for you to invite him to help you. How do you think that feels Len? And to then listen to your friends mocking the very idea? How would you feel? I think as punishment God should make you all ministering angels for future Christadelphian so you can stand their in the corner of some other Christadelphians room for 20 years wondering why he wont ask for your help. Maybe then you will understand? But of course somehow you have convinced yourselves they were only ministering angels for 100 years in all of history and are now doing nothing specifically defined in "heaven". Crazy Len, sad and crazy. I do not know what it is but its not logicala and its not in the Bible.

Sorry, but what do you mean?

I mean not only is it totally obvious the Holy Spirit is a generic term for Gods company of angels but the Bible plainly states using identical OT symbolism for Gods angels, that Pentecost means Gods ministering angels/flames of fire were amongst them. It is not even a theory, its their right in front of you and I know for a fact their is zero other biblical explanation for the Holy Spirit. You Christadelphians are trying to make it like some sort of Catholic mystery by not stateing the conclusions of your own understanding of the concept, when its no mystery it all, it is infact totally obvious.
"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” = "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" = "Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who maketh His angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire" Psalms (104:1) = "They saw what seemed to be flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them." Acts 2 - the secret is over, your ministering angel you need to be saved is the Holy Spirit.

Who Is the Holy Spirit?
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/20950-holy-spirit-mercia/

Mark Of The Beast - his Name is the charachter/image of the medievil popes (now modern man)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/4997-mark-of-the-beast/page__pid__439951__st__120#entry439951

Historicists - Dual Fulfillment (seven thunders = more literal warning)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/14248-historicists-revelation-has-a-dual-fulfillment/

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 03:44 AM

I think he means that he knows the truth about angels and the Holy Spirit, and could explain it to people so that they would be saved; in particular, one friend refused to listen to him for 20 years, while his other friends called him a nutter for claiming to have this special knowledge.

Meanwhile, he is offering for the people at BTDF to learn from him the truth concerning angels and the Holy Spirit, and so be saved. However, he doubts that anyone will listen, on account of being blinded to his message by their conviction that the teaching of their (Christadelphian) church is correct. For this reason, he believes that there's more hope of salvation for those who don't belong to any church.

Seems simple enough.

No Len, but once again you're being rude to someone who claims to have the Holy Spirit.
"But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." John 4.14

#19 The Budster

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 04:18 AM

No Len, but once again you're being rude to someone who claims to have the Holy Spirit.


What? Mercia clarified that in the latter half of his post he was speaking from the viewpoint of one's guardian angel, rather than from his own; that bit I clearly misunderstood. The rest of my summary was accurate. What rudeness do you see there, exactly? You seem to be reading something into what I wrote. Also, I have no idea what you mean by "once again," although it suggests that you're in some way judging my recent post in light of some past conversation I don't remember--or in other words, not reading my post at face value.

#20 Huldah

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 05:42 AM

It's not the first time you've been rude to someone claiming to have the Holy Spirit Len. Perhaps I should have forgotten about it. I just thought I detected sarcasm in what you wrote.
"But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." John 4.14




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